What are you guys (and the rest of us) going to do about 30A?

It is a shame how they destroyed what was paradise ten years ago. Have to compete with beach vendors for a seat on the beach, traffic is awful a good bit of the time, development is out of control, which will only make traffic worse and the County is run by good old boys, dirty lawyers and lazy politicians, who all have their hand in the cookie jar, directly or indirectly. At some point, 30a will become impassable. They have watered down the best part of the 30a experience by over doing what the area was once good at, instead of several very well done wine festivals, now there are over ten, mediocre festivals, so we just quit attending. Luckily, the housing market remains red hot, so after 10 years, we sold our home for a ridiculous #, and fled to greener pastures in SC, where County government is competent, development proceeds on a reasoned basis subject to a long term plan that addresses infrastructure and traffic issues well in advance. Loved our time on 30a, but, as a full timer, the magic disappeared several years ago.

I would respond but I'm on a raft in the Gulf.

We avoid Spring Break & Fall Break. We stay at Seaside and avoid driving anywhere, unless we hop on 395. We returned Sun day from a wonderful first week. We lucked out. Beach. No issues. We did avoid town center after 9:00 pm, I guess because we hung out for pre and post sunset at our beach then went back to our rental. But reading comments about how bad the teenagers were/are at Seaside. It's become PCB West. And this was a quiet week. Does Seaside not ask for help? Does Walton County not care since rentals are full & people are spending money? The number of comments I see (on a Facebook page) are: a local, never go to Seaside (of course $ parking now); visitors hate the beach situation & Seaside. Time to nip it in the bud? No really. Car limit/turn around at 395 and 283? Found one person who loves the chaos. Realtor/local. He said he loves it.
Where did we spend our money? Great Southern, Red Bar, Modica, Publix, Cowgirl Kitchen, Wine World, Craft Beer bar, Seaside shops. (And Idyllhound & Grayton Breweries) The water and weather were so perfect that we didn't have time to do much more.
Ellen

HI ellen. What is your experience like in Seaside and along the beaches during your recent stays? Thanks for taking the time to post about your trips here over the years!

I love living bayside in the woods and enjoy visiting our parks and beaches and towns whenever possible. Usually we can gauge when the best times to go where without a lot of hassle. But this past year has been different as we've hardly had any break in tourist crowds. Still we're able to get to the beach for sunset or hike parks and trails around town. We usually stick to restaurants along 98 if going out.

Looking forward to visiting favorite restaurants and shops in beach communities, since being fully vaccinated... But maybe not much during the summer which is typical for many locals like us. We have patience and will continue to enjoy local life as we always have. Choosing activities in places with as few crowds as possible such as an Eden Gardens picnic, an art gallery, hiking or biking in the state forest or parks, kayaking in the bayous and bay, excursions to small Florida towns etc.
Occasionally we do enjoy getting in the middle of it when the mood hits for shopping and dining.

South Walton growth and development are not new and we are still a baby town with a lot to come. Not much of any kind of effective local government but not new there either. I will always be thankful for the preserved 40% lands in SoWal. And no high-rise development. We have an outstanding professional fire department dedicated to serving and protecting South Walton, we enjoy good schools, and have many wonderful families, neighbors and active community members all around us.

I haven't given up on dreams of South Walton growing up and finally becoming an incorporated town with local leadership and more say in our own destiny. Or Customary Use of our beaches. It will take time. We will get there.

Teresa for MAYOR!!!

We avoid Spring Break & Fall Break. We stay at Seaside and avoid driving anywhere, unless we hop on 395. We returned Sun day from a wonderful first week. We lucked out. Beach. No issues. We did avoid town center after 9:00 pm, I guess because we hung out for pre and post sunset at our beach then went back to our rental. But reading comments about how bad the teenagers were/are at Seaside. It's become PCB West. And this was a quiet week. Does Seaside not ask for help? Does Walton County not care since rentals are full & people are spending money? The number of comments I see (on a Facebook page) are: a local, never go to Seaside (of course $ parking now); visitors hate the beach situation & Seaside. Time to nip it in the bud? No really. Car limit/turn around at 395 and 283? Found one person who loves the chaos. Realtor/local. He said he loves it.
Where did we spend our money? Great Southern, Red Bar, Modica, Publix, Cowgirl Kitchen, Wine World, Craft Beer bar, Seaside shops. (And Idyllhound & Grayton Breweries) The water and weather were so perfect that we didn't have time to do much more.
Ellen

In my short time here, I come to quickly realize that SoWal is a landlord and renters’ town. Accommodations are made to value and promote this economy. Seaside is merely a product of this culture. So, we should not be surprised by what is happening. Landlords collect the benefits of rental income while not having to deal with the frustrations or inconveniences their renters create for others.

Do what I did……move and/or vacation elsewhere

I've been vacationing on 30A from the beginning. It all changed around 2006.
From Dune Allen to Rosemary it's complete madness thanks to social media and the many developers who lack a conscious. However, 30A WILL survive...

I’ve made a couple of offers recently, to no avail. Ready to look elsewhere as well.

It is a shame how they destroyed what was paradise ten years ago. Have to compete with beach vendors for a seat on the beach, traffic is awful a good bit of the time, development is out of control, which will only make traffic worse and the County is run by good old boys, dirty lawyers and lazy politicians, who all have their hand in the cookie jar, directly or indirectly. At some point, 30a will become impassable. They have watered down the best part of the 30a experience by over doing what the area was once good at, instead of several very well done wine festivals, now there are over ten, mediocre festivals, so we just quit attending. Luckily, the housing market remains red hot, so after 10 years, we sold our home for a ridiculous #, and fled to greener pastures in SC, where County government is competent, development proceeds on a reasoned basis subject to a long term plan that addresses infrastructure and traffic issues well in advance. Loved our time on 30a, but, as a full timer, the magic disappeared several years ago.

You think it was only in the last 10 years?

In my short time here, I come to quickly realize that SoWal is a landlord and renters’ town. Accommodations are made to value and promote this economy. Seaside is merely a product of this culture. So, we should not be surprised by what is happening. Landlords collect the benefits of rental income while not having to deal with the frustrations or inconveniences their renters create for others.

It's a Florida beach town driven by tourism. In one of the fastest growing counties in the state. People have been moving to the area for as long as I can remember.. It is a great place for families. But it isn't for everyone. Many people decide to move back to the cities or places that offer more traditional life and work experiences.

There are as many wonderful aspects of life in South Walton as there are not so great things. As is the case anywhere else. It's all in what you may prefer for your lifestyle. I'm thankful for those who live and work here making it such a unique place in so many ways.

Florida can be really weird. But it's beautiful. I do love its natural beauty. It's laid back and hard working. Good old boy politics all over the place. Corruption. Greed everywhere. Rampant development. Not an environmental care in the world. We need to do better. It's worth it.

You think it was only in the last 10 years?

It is interesting how people have different perspectives depending on if they are natives, or when they imported themselves to SoWal.

Old timers say the time before Seaside was tops. Davis and Duany will live in infamy.

And true, there was nothing like the experience of the jukebox and sandy floors at the old store in Grayton. A time when every resident was a beach bum of some sort and every visitor wanted to be. People who valued the beach above all, and cherished the landscape.

The decades since are sort of marked by when subsequent urban towns were founded.
Pre-Rosemary (non-resident corporate development enters the picture - houses pop up like mushrooms)
Pre-Watercolor
Pre-Alys
etc.

Then there are other markers for other people:
Sandestin development
Eden Gardens donated to the state
Connecting Scenic 30A from end to end
S&L crisis leading to a lot of land ending up in state hands
Paving Grayton Beach
Patrone's closing
St. Joe becoming a developer
The Red Bar founded
4-laning Hwy 98
The Truman Show
Publix opens
Monster houses becoming common
2005 storms
Goodbye Seagrove Villas Motel
Real estate bubble & pop
DR Horton and the like
4-laning 331 & bridge
oil spill
Goodbye Seagrove Village Market
BCC bought out by business

Around 2000 things were accelerating (appreciating) quickly but still under control. St. Joe's transition to real estate developer was ground shaking. It was exciting and ominous at the same time. I am still glad that their early days were based in a conservative, well-established, and well-funded company that was focused on conservation and quality. WaterSound Beach being the best example of that.

St. Joe has gone through a lot of growing pains since the early days. The evolution in to partnerships has eroded the product. Specifically with some high-volume developers who are completely bulldozing some beautiful land. Not leaving a single twisted sand pine or even a lonely wildflower. Where St. Joe execs once saw beautiful and precious coastal habit, they now hold their noses and see worthless coastal scrub.

The real estate bubble was the introduction of the type of attention and development that has ruined almost every other Florida region. We got a reprieve from the bubble popping but very short and the money that has flowed in since then is staggering.

There are now people who live here that never go to the beach. And if they ever do they will find something to not like about it. They are concerned only with money and all the problems it creates for them. They prefer to look at dolphins on their phone than in the actual Gulf.

We are now entering a phase of big development that is like a steamroller 30 miles wide.

Whatever your perspective, the good old days are gone, and Panama (the country) is the new Redneck Riviera.

It is interesting how people have different perspectives depending on if they are natives, or when they imported themselves to SoWal.

Old timers say the time before Seaside was tops. Davis and Duany will live in infamy.

And true, there was nothing like the experience of the jukebox and sandy floors at the old store in Grayton. A time when every resident was a beach bum of some sort and every visitor wanted to be. People who valued the beach above all, and cherished the landscape.

The decades since are sort of marked by when subsequent urban towns were founded.
Pre-Rosemary (non-resident corporate development enters the picture - houses pop up like mushrooms)
Pre-Watercolor
Pre-Alys
etc.

Then there are other markers for other people:
Sandestin development
Eden Gardens donated to the state
Connecting Scenic 30A from end to end
S&L crisis leading to a lot of land ending up in state hands
Paving Grayton Beach
Patrone's closing
St. Joe becoming a developer
The Red Bar founded
4-laning Hwy 98
The Truman Show
Publix opens
Monster houses becoming common
2005 storms
Goodbye Seagrove Villas Motel
Real estate bubble & pop
DR Horton and the like
4-laning 331 & bridge
oil spill
Goodbye Seagrove Village Market
BCC bought out by business

Around 2000 things were accelerating (appreciating) quickly but still under control. St. Joe's transition to real estate developer was ground shaking. It was exciting and ominous at the same time. I am still glad that their early days were based in a conservative, well-established, and well-funded company that was focused on conservation and quality. WaterSound Beach being the best example of that.

St. Joe has gone through a lot of growing pains since the early days. The evolution in to partnerships has eroded the product. Specifically with some high-volume developers who are completely bulldozing some beautiful land. Not leaving a single twisted sand pine or even a lonely wildflower. Where St. Joe execs once saw beautiful and precious coastal habit, they now hold their noses and see worthless coastal scrub.

The real estate bubble was the introduction of the type of attention and development that has ruined almost every other Florida region. We got a reprieve from the bubble popping but very short and the money that has flowed in since then is staggering.

There are now people who live here that never go to the beach. And if they ever do they will find something to not like about it. They are concerned only with money and all the problems it creates for them. They prefer to look at dolphins on their phone than in the actual Gulf.

We are now entering a phase of big development that is like a steamroller 30 miles wide.

Whatever your perspective, the good old days are gone, and Panama (the country) is the new Redneck Riviera.

Been in the greater Emerald Coast area since 1981, delivered lumber to Seaside and Sandestin. Moved to Santa Rosa Beach, north of 98, and lived there til 05. Now live in Freeport. I can Remember when people would complain about tourism and growth it seems forever. I have said it before, those who complain about growth, unless you were born and raised here, are part of the problem. We moved here, "found paradise" and thought it would stay this way forever. That didn't happen and we wanted to stop what we perceived as overdevelopment. I admit I am part of the issue with the growth in Walton County. Putting the genie back in the bottle isn't going to happen and as the State Legislature seems to be more inclined to legislate growth from Tallahassee it becomes even more of struggle. Short of a Mexico Beach scenario, which I pray NEVER EVER HAPPENS, we are stuck with what we have. We might see some small changes because of local government changing some things, but I think it will not be near enough for most folks who seem to think we can fix it. Just my 2 cents.

It is interesting how people have different perspectives depending on if they are natives, or when they imported themselves to SoWal.

Old timers say the time before Seaside was tops. Davis and Duany will live in infamy.

And true, there was nothing like the experience of the jukebox and sandy floors at the old store in Grayton. A time when every resident was a beach bum of some sort and every visitor wanted to be. People who valued the beach above all, and cherished the landscape.

The decades since are sort of marked by when subsequent urban towns were founded.
Pre-Rosemary (non-resident corporate development enters the picture - houses pop up like mushrooms)
Pre-Watercolor
Pre-Alys
etc.

Then there are other markers for other people:
Sandestin development
Eden Gardens donated to the state
Connecting Scenic 30A from end to end
S&L crisis leading to a lot of land ending up in state hands
Paving Grayton Beach
Patrone's closing
St. Joe becoming a developer
The Red Bar founded
4-laning Hwy 98
The Truman Show
Publix opens
Monster houses becoming common
2005 storms
Goodbye Seagrove Villas Motel
Real estate bubble & pop
DR Horton and the like
4-laning 331 & bridge
oil spill
Goodbye Seagrove Village Market
BCC bought out by business

Around 2000 things were accelerating (appreciating) quickly but still under control. St. Joe's transition to real estate developer was ground shaking. It was exciting and ominous at the same time. I am still glad that their early days were based in a conservative, well-established, and well-funded company that was focused on conservation and quality. WaterSound Beach being the best example of that.

St. Joe has gone through a lot of growing pains since the early days. The evolution in to partnerships has eroded the product. Specifically with some high-volume developers who are completely bulldozing some beautiful land. Not leaving a single twisted sand pine or even a lonely wildflower. Where St. Joe execs once saw beautiful and precious coastal habit, they now hold their noses and see worthless coastal scrub.

The real estate bubble was the introduction of the type of attention and development that has ruined almost every other Florida region. We got a reprieve from the bubble popping but very short and the money that has flowed in since then is staggering.

There are now people who live here that never go to the beach. And if they ever do they will find something to not like about it. They are concerned only with money and all the problems it creates for them. They prefer to look at dolphins on their phone than in the actual Gulf.

We are now entering a phase of big development that is like a steamroller 30 miles wide.

Whatever your perspective, the good old days are gone, and Panama (the country) is the new Redneck Riviera.

As someone who has vacationed here since 1959 and who has been living here continuously since 1983, I would say that the fun and excitement of Seaside emerging was wonderful. Rosemary, Watercolor, Watersound, and Alys just added grace and dignity to the area. All of them planned developments with sense and unity of vision. After that, came the hordes of greedy developers and investors, none of them interested in the quality of life, only the re-sell value and the rental profit. Without beating this dead horse to death, the Seagrove I loved and invested my whole life in, is basically ruined. Period. I spend too much of my day, these days, sitting in my running truck, trying to find a break in traffic, just to make a left turn onto 30-A. I now have to think of alternative paths. If I take a right turn, can I go down and make a u-turn without hitting a bicycler or a golf cart? It's that grim out there. And it will not get better. I wish I had a bright note to end this post with, but I don't.

I enjoy hearing the stories of the "old days" in SoWal. I'm reading 2 good books about SoWal...."Of Days Gone By..." and "The Way We Were..." The primary frustration imo is the lack of enforcement.....OF ANYTHING! Whether it's related to parking, driving, beach, building, etc. I really feel enforcement of current codes, ordinances, etc could really help in creating a better lifestyle

I enjoy hearing the stories of the "old days" in SoWal. I'm reading 2 good books about SoWal...."Of Days Gone By..." and "The Way We Were..." The primary frustration imo is the lack of enforcement.....OF ANYTHING! Whether it's related to parking, driving, beach, building, etc. I really feel enforcement of current codes, ordinances, etc could really help in creating a better lifestyle

You should also read “Postcards of Seagrove”. It’s at Sundog Books and on Amazon.

As someone who has vacationed here since 1959 and who has been living here continuously since 1983, I would say that the fun and excitement of Seaside emerging was wonderful. Rosemary, Watercolor, Watersound, and Alys just added grace and dignity to the area. All of them planned developments with sense and unity of vision. After that, came the hordes of greedy developers and investors, none of them interested in the quality of life, only the re-sell value and the rental profit. Without beating this dead horse to death, the Seagrove I loved and invested my whole life in, is basically ruined. Period. I spend too much of my day, these days, sitting in my running truck, trying to find a break in traffic, just to make a left turn onto 30-A. I now have to think of alternative paths. If I take a right turn, can I go down and make a u-turn without hitting a bicycler or a golf cart? It's that grim out there. And it will not get better. I wish I had a bright note to end this post with, but I don't.

We just sold our dream lot in grayton beach last year. Owned it for 20 yrs. Haven't vacationed there in forever. So sad!!!!!

We just sold our dream lot in grayton beach last year. Owned it for 20 yrs. Haven't vacationed there in forever. So sad!!!!!

Sorry to hear that. I live in Grayton. Where was the lot?

We just sold our dream lot in grayton beach last year. Owned it for 20 yrs. Haven't vacationed there in forever. So sad!!!!!

Like so many grab the cash and run.

Bye Felicia.

My head is in the sand so it's pretty quiet but I am kind of concerned my lily white ass is up in the air and an easy target for steamrollers and realtors.

Sorry to hear that. I live in Grayton. Where was the lot?

the lakeplace

the lakeplace

That's not Grayton anyway.

We are selling our home in Tallahassee and moving to Freeport. Tallahassee use to be so simple in terms of life style. It offered simply life styles and beautiful canopy roads. It was a community. Our colleges brought students from all over and they never left. In college many of the students in my class where from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale and did not want to go back or leave Tallahassee. Except for one who I stayed in touch with for a number of years. Elvis loved Miami. He grew up there in the 60' and 70's. He later ran for Mayor of Miami and I think he is still trying to keep Old Miami the same. Miami use to have coconut trees everywhere until the city decided they had to go to keep the people safe from falling coconuts. Elvis was even arrested for violating the ordinance multiple times for growing coconut trees on his modest property. In Freeport they do not want us growing certain trees like sabal palms. Yes Florida is changing because of more and more people coming and staying. Our community is no different. Everything changes because of more and more people. My family loved the little petting zoo that use to exist in Grayton. Grayton is not the same. Freeport is not the same. Miami is not the same. Yet people keep coming. How do we try and keep our communities from change. We can't. We have to adapt and make the best of the changes. We need unity in our community. Great slogan huh? We can't keep fighting because big money always win when we are not unified. If I had my way I would suggest creating a Unity Month where we have local community events during the off season. Where we could all share our stories of the good old days. Where we all come together and NOT talk about local, state or national politics. Just share our stories of the old days and how beautiful this place will always be to us. Maybe during that month we find that politics is less important than our community and we start to find unity. Once we have unity we have a voice big enough to have the ability to balance development with something more important. Each of us have a perspective about what is important. We should listen to each other and stop fighting with each other. Even if we don't get what we want we get a feeling of being listened to like friends do with friends. Good luck to us all as we face our challenges between environment and population growth...

That's not Grayton anyway.

It is certainly Grayton.

It is certainly Grayton.

No, it's not. Since you haven't ever lived here and ceased vacationing her years ago, all your statements; you would be aware that county records specifically exclude Lake Place and it is not considered part of Grayton. Move on you don't visit or own land.

Perhaps you are referring to recorded plats and/or the recorded neighborhood plan and overlay.

For us regular folk, Grayton Beach stretches from the eastern edge of Grayton Beach State Park (bordering WaterColor) to the eastern shore of Little Redfish Lake. Grayton Preserve subdivision just beyond that is in Blue Mountain Beach, although residents and rental owners of that subdivision might argue that.

Lakeplace is definitely Grayton, even though gated communities are anti-Grayton.

As far as the northern boundary of Grayton, might as well call it Grayton Village Rd. And of course the southern boundary is the Gulf of Mexico.