Hampton Inn Seagrove Beach on Chateau Hotel Property

Aren't legal precedents established by court decisions? I thought Jay Odom had already won that battle with the Grayton Grand litigation.

Normally zoning or land use code decisions are decided on a case by case basis by the planning commission and the BCC. There is no precedent set by previous court decisions. Also, decisions are not normally fought by property owners unless you have a ton of money like Jay Odom has. If Walton County had ridgid zoning codes instead of vague land use codes, Jay Odom would never have won his case if his request did not fall in a proper zoning area. Proper zoning is the difference between controlled well planned growth and helter schelter development.

Normally zoning or land use code decisions are decided on a case by case basis by the planning commission and the BCC. There is no precedent set by previous court decisions. Also, decisions are not normally fought by property owners unless you have a ton of money like Jay Odom has. If Walton County had ridgid zoning codes instead of vague land use codes, Jay Odom would never have won his case if his request did not fall in a proper zoning area. Proper zoning is the difference between controlled well planned growth and helter schelter development.

Are there rigid zoning codes in place now?

The hotel should employ 30 people and do roughly 9 million a year, 90% occupancy, $275 night. FYI---condos are a helluva lot cheaper based on weekly pricing.

A Midtown Manhattan Hampton Inn wouldn't have a $275 ADR and maintain 90% occupancy. Both numbers are way, way too high.

I no longer live in Seagrove Beach but I signed the petition because a friend who lives at Rosemary Beach asked me to. I can assure all of you who think that stopping this will turn back the clock that it won't. It will always be growing and getting more crowded. My husband's family has owned a home in the area for 40 years and we owned a home in Seagrove for 20 years. The quiet charm is gone forever.

I don't think anyone thinks we can stop growth. And it wouldn't be good for our town if it did STOP. But, we can make a difference in the way it grows with vision and leadership and good growth management. Height limits were set several years ago - making a huge difference in the character and development of our beach towns. Should we just stop there? I think growth management takes ongoing planning and standard development. The only question is... will Walton County do this and do it well? I really do have my doubts in the long run. But, we've done some good things already. We've also made some mistakes such as monster vacation houses with no architectural standards (pack 'em in and get that view from the top level), lack of environmental protection while developing on our dune lakes and other waterways, signs everywhere along our "Scenic" 30A and bike path, and lack of attention to infrastructure in general. But, I guess you can't control everything or legislate good taste.

Hampton Inn Soho, NY is $109 a night tonight.

However, the Holiday Inn "Resort" out on the island is $358.12 per night next year during July 4th. With that, a $275 per night Hampton in Seagrove seems a bargain.

Are there rigid zoning codes in place now?

In a word, No! Walton County, instead of zoning codes, has vague, mostly useless land use codes that can not only be easily interpreted to meet one's needs, but also variances can easily be obtained.

Hampton Inn Soho, NY is $109 a night tonight. However, the Holiday Inn "Resort" out on the island is $358.12 per night next year during July 4th. With that, a $275 per night Hampton in Seagrove seems a bargain.

That same Soho room will hit $1000.00 per night July 4th.

Hampton Inn Soho, NY is $109 a night tonight.

However, the Holiday Inn "Resort" out on the island is $358.12 per night next year during July 4th. With that, a $275 per night Hampton in Seagrove seems a bargain.

You can't get an Average Daily Rate by using the rate of a competitor on the day of the year with the highest demand. Back of the envelope, I'd guess an ADR of $150 and occupancy of about 60%.

That same Soho room will hit $1000.00 per night July 4th.

$369-$405.

Hampton Inn in DC was pushing $400/night when I was there in October.

You can't get an Average Daily Rate by using the rate of a competitor on the day of the year with the highest demand. Back of the envelope, I'd guess an ADR of $150 and occupancy of about 60%.

I would guess that too by going to Hilton's website and pulling up Hampton's franchise brochure. Those are national averages, you can pull that definition up by going to wikipedia. You aren't finding 60% occupancy and an average daily rate of 109 at any 2.5 star + hotel from Destin to PCB. I believe the Hampton in Niceville is on the market for 6.2 mil.

$369-$405.

$949.00 up

I believe the Hampton in Niceville is on the market for 6.2 mil.

I think that property gets very steady business year round in part because it's the closest chain hotel to the Navy EOD school, which does a good number of short term programs for federal and local law enforcement.

I think that property gets very steady business year round in part because it's the closest chain hotel to the Navy EOD school, which does a good number of short term programs for federal and local law enforcement.

You have an extra 6.195 mil laying around, I am good for 5k!

My only question is...is the issue that is Hampton, that it is a 90 room hotel, or both? [...]

My only issue is that it's a 90 room hotel. It's way too big, and if this one goes in, what is there to stop others, which will be way too big x2 x4 x8, etc. The ordinance that was changed to allow larger bed numbers in specialty lodging should NEVER have been changed, and certainly with no discussion the way it was. The planning commission and the county commissioners are moving in the wrong direction. They need to be erring on the side of increasing protection from irresponsible development, and this to me is a clear example of irresponsible. Has nothing to do with being elitist. I don't care if it's a designer hotel, or a Motel 6. Nothing that big should ever be approved on 30A, definitely not in that location, and not anywhere near any dune lake. Put it up on 98. That's what that stretch of road is for. 98 has the traffic capacity as well as the ability to be 4 laned if it needs it to accommodate more traffic in the future. 30A doesn't. Allowing something like this on 30A just from a traffic density stand point alone is just silly. And that is without even looking at the flooding problems that everyone knows will be caused from the large parking lot, the stress it will put on the lake, and the negative traffic impact it will have on the nearby residential neighborhoods.

My only issue is that it's a 90 room hotel. It's way too big, and if this one goes in, what is there to stop others, which will be way too big x2 x4 x8, etc. The ordinance that was changed to allow larger bed numbers in specialty lodging should NEVER have been changed, and certainly with no discussion the way it was. The planning commission and the county commissioners are moving in the wrong direction. They need to be erring on the side of increasing protection from irresponsible development, and this to me is a clear example of irresponsible. Has nothing to do with being elitist. I don't care if it's a designer hotel, or a Motel 6. Nothing that big should ever be approved on 30A, definitely not in that location, and not anywhere near any dune lake. Put it up on 98. That's what that stretch of road is for. 98 has the traffic capacity as well as the ability to be 4 laned if it needs it to accommodate more traffic in the future. 30A doesn't. Allowing something like this on 30A just from a traffic density stand point alone is just silly. And that is without even looking at the flooding problems that everyone knows will be caused from the large parking lot, the stress it will put on the lake, and the negative traffic impact it will have on the nearby residential neighborhoods.

The best argument I've read on this issue. Good points without sounding hysterical or elitist.

The streets that hotel beach goers would use (May, Williams, Lake, etc) are not maintained by the county. Not sure of their technical status, but it would stink to have to pay for your neighborhood's maintenance only to have the Hampton Inn folks flowing freely through your privately maintained $$ neighborhood to go to the beach access with no parking.

It's all about traffic density to me, also. There will be a complete stand still of traffic from Eastern Lake to 395. It's that simple.

I just saw a commercial for Chateau 30A condos on cable. The commercial showed "beach access" as the dirt roads through Seagrove Eastern Lake neighborhood. It highlighted May, Williams and Dalton streets. There is no access at the end of those streets.

I just saw a commercial for Chateau 30A condos on cable. The commercial showed "beach access" as the dirt roads through Seagrove Eastern Lake neighborhood. It highlighted May, Williams and Dalton streets. There is no access at the end of those streets.

hence project failed. Even with St Joe offering free membership to both golf courses and pool privileges with ownership.

I just saw a commercial for Chateau 30A condos on cable. The commercial showed "beach access" as the dirt roads through Seagrove Eastern Lake neighborhood. It highlighted May, Williams and Dalton streets. There is no access at the end of those streets.

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy neighborhood we got here: dirt roads, rusty trailers, mad dogs, feral cats. I bet those elite Hampton Inn clientele will be rather disappointed to walk three quarter's of a mile down dusty dirt roads to get to one measly little beach access with no parking. This just doesn't seem like a good idea for anybody, ya think?

Oh yeah, that's right, they can get in their cars and get out on 30-A and look for no parking accesses in Seaside and no parking accesses in Grayton, and then they can attempt to do u-turns in Seaside and u-turns in Grayton, and try to make it back to Seagrove and Eastern Lake and then again walk three quarters of a mile down a dusty dirt road to one measly little beach access with no parking...

Yeah, it's a pretty crappy neighborhood we got here: dirt roads, rusty trailers, mad dogs, feral cats. I bet those elite Hampton Inn clientele will be rather disappointed to walk three quarter's of a mile down dusty dirt roads to get to one measly little beach access with no parking. This just doesn't seem like a good idea for anybody, ya think?

Oh yeah, that's right, they can get in their cars and get out on 30-A and look for no parking accesses in Seaside and no parking accesses in Grayton, and then they can attempt to do u-turns in Seaside and u-turns in Grayton, and try to make it back to Seagrove and Eastern Lake and then again walk three quarters of a mile down a dusty dirt road to one measly little beach access with no parking...

I plan to increase my "mad dog" breeding program and release a couple each day during the peak season. Nothing we like more in our "crappy neighborhood" than to watch folks run from our mad dogs only to be attacked by our feral cats.

Who owns the property and who is the developer?

http://www.waltonsun.com/news/familiar-face-behind-proposed-hampton-inn-project-1.421801?tc=cr

When it comes to the proposed Hampton Inn on 30A, mum is the word for the project’s developers, despite a tremendous backlash from locals who have taken to social media and internet-based petitions to voice their displeasure.

Realtor Charles W. Rigdon of Destin is listed as the registered agent of Chateau 30A LLC, the company behind the hotel project. When contacted by The Sun, Rigdon refused to comment on the project, except to say that he and MC Davis, a familiar name in Walton County , are partners in the project.
Rigdon said he and Davis would not comment on the project and referred all other questions to his Tallahassee-based attorney, David Theriaque.
Currently a development order application for the Hampton Inn project is on file with Walton County planners. The developers seek to build a 44,205-square-foot, 90-room limited lodging hotel and a 660-square-foot retail space on a 2.4-acre parcel of land on east CR 30A, north of Williams Street.
The project, previously known as Chateau 30A, is being reviewed by the county’s senior planner, Brian Underwood and will go before the planning commission during a Jan. 14 meeting.

I keep seeing where there is a meeting on the 14th. Is that the planning commission meeting or the meeting of the county commission?